Hi. Yes that's what I meant. The moon sign is also calculated with the birth hour and as I don't know precisely my birth hour I can't be sure of which is my moon sign. The moon signs calculator I have found require the birth time. That's why I cannot be sure of if I should work with Raphael or Gabriel... Let me know if you have an idea for me to fix this problem. Or maybe I'll try with both angels. I hope there is no problem doing that. But as you present the angels as benevolent I don't think it should be a problem if I work with a wrong angel ?
Do you mean that you don't know your moon sign? Your rising sign (ascendent) is not used very often in this course, and when it is you can substitute Raphael for the angel of the ascendent. BB
First of all thank you for all the information and knowledge you are sharing and the sweet way you communicate your ideas.
I would like to get your help concerning a problem I have in order to start the BAM Lessons. I have been trying for years to know precisely my natal birth hour (for astrology work) but could never get the precise information. I know that I am probably Cancer or Gemini. Therefore I can't figure out if I should work with Gabriel or Raphael to follow the Angel Magic system you teach...
Would you have an advice concerning this issue ? Do you think I should try each operation 2 times ? First with Raphael and second with Gabriel. And try to feel if one way feels better than the other ?
I am just afraid this is going to be a bit confusing in an already quite complex approach (at least as it seems at the beginning)
Hi @Ariel Gatoga Do you think we can draw the 1st pentacle of the moon in a squared paper and at the back write only key words in a circle with planetary signs (signed with our name) at the diagonal corners rather than writing the petition?
Do what you will but why are you so adamant about changing the course as Ariel presented it? You have so many posts going so many directions away from the material as presented.
If you are inspired to do something, I can understand following that inspiration but it seems with your multiple posts debating or changing the material your intention is to sow discord.
I too am taking this class and find that meditation and journaling my ideas and inspirations are great ways to reflect on my ideas. Maybe try that before changing horses constantly midstream.
Millie im not aware of disturbing the harmony of the group. If it is so, I apologise from everyone in here. Actually I am very formalistic person not only in the practice of magick, but also other areas of my life. Many thanks to Ariel, we all learned a lot from him and probably everyone does what just they want. Like everybody while i am practicing one of the techniques we ve learned in here so far , i sometimes come up with a new idea about any practice of magick, I just want to learn the applicability of this idea. The answer could be either yes, why not or not recommended. It doesnt mean this idea or approach is better/more effective than what we learn here or it doesnt mean I am more clever or creative than everyone here. Im sure many people have much more knowledge and experience of occultism in here. BB
@Onur, you can definitely do what you will, but the system I'm teaching has very specific uses for different alphabets, and aren't arbitrary. We do cover other alphabets in later lessons. BB
Hi @Ariel Gatoga I think I ve done 20-25 Angelic magick since the beginning. I ve moved a bit further than what You taught us since the lecture 1. For example I ve started to use colorful A4 pages and flashing ink colours according to which Angel I work with and I really enjoy it. Now I ve come up with a new idea that I could change the alphabet I work with.
What would you say about using this alphabet (looks like celestial) in my crafts? Please note that normally the celestial alpahbet doesnt include vowels due to Hebrew (unlike Theban), but they inserted somehow in a page.
This could also help me be familiar with Hebrew letters
I may have missed the answer to this, but when we are writing our petition, is there a certain way we should word it if our personal moon angel is also Gabriel?
I have a couple of questions. As with all magic, should we do the grounding and centering before doing the tablet? And when we do practice every day, we get a lot of these tablets. Should we let them stand for a while on the althar before doing the next one? Is it ok to put them in a drawer on top of each other before disposing?
These, unlike some other talismans, can be put away on top of each other until disposed of. You may put them on your altar, but it is not necessary. Grounding and centering is always a smart idea before magic. BB
@Lucretia, I apologize for misreading your question. The INVOKING tablet we keep to the next new moon... the BANISHING tablet you can rip up directly after you have completed it that same night/day you created it. So sorry!!! BB
If you do more than one tablet for different angels, like say one I did yesterday and one today and one on Sunday , do you keep all of them together on your alter? Put them on another alter etc? Thanks!
I made a mistake 😥 I put the Archangel Samael instead of Sachiel. I don't know what I was thinking. Should I just throw the tablet away and what for the next new moon? Thank you.
Lucretia thank you for answering my question. I actually meant Samael and not Sachiel. I was just sooo excited to get started that I just got mixed up with the names. 😔 I need to slow down and focus. I’m like a little kid who can’t wait. It took me forever to do my tablet. I spent so much time and energy on it because I wanted the angels to know how much love and gratitude I have for them. Pretty sad I got the wrong angel. I ripped up the tablet and threw it away. I apologized to the Angels and let them know I’m making another one tonight but using Anael.Thanks again for your suggestion. BB
Oh and another question. I realise my petition to Sachiel last night was quite vague and in contradiction to what you teach as appropriate outcomes on the Magic List. I asked for help to ‘make my new, passive income venture an amazing financial success’. Is this ok or shall I have to be more specific about what ‘amazing financial success’ looks like and also use a timescale ie by the end of 2020? I feel the Angels will be ok with the vagueness of my petition but wanted to just double check 😁
@Lucretia, Yes, it's really important to have the specific goals, and then with Angel magic, it takes it to the next level, which is more of a "this is what I think I want, but please tweak it and make it into what YOU want."All the work you do on your goals then becomes underwritten by the angelic forces. The angels really seem to reward hard work.You'll keep refining things like wording as you go along on your relationship with the teaching angels and your birth angels specifically. A pure heart, reverence, respect, and good humor are usually what are mostly required in this system.. then just keep doing your best and all is well.
@Ariel Gatoga - forgive me if I’ve missed this - how long do we keep the banishing tablet for? As the invoking is from dark moon to dark moon I assume for the banishing tablet it will be full moon to full moon? Bbx
If I dont remember wrong from one of the videos, We must tear it off by the next new moon. Even though I checked the pdf, He hasnt mention it on the handout. Im sure he ll confirm it soon...BB
I ve done mine. While I was writing the letters on the top left, i had realised i d forgotten to draw the middle door, so i had to erase the letters😊. Another funny thing was, i was unable to see the copy paper under the tablet paper, so i had to do it all manually. The more we do, the better and quicker we ll do this, i think.
Splendid job, Onur. I had to scrap mine and start again because I’d forgotten to write the words right to left and did half of them left to right before I realised. 🥴
@Lucretia Ravenswood 😊 in the first time these things happen. Ariel said writing with Theban took 20mins, but mine took longer than a hour. Because the translator website I shared doesnt recognize spaces between words, so I kept losing my track of which letter I was at and omitted some letters. I had to erase and do it again.😏
@Ariel Gatoga we have completed lessons 1a/b/c so far. As we are just now in waxing phase now (1.82 days since the new moon), we dont need to do banishing tablet practice till the 4th of the September, am I right?
Hi @Ariel Gatoga . You said we should ve taken off accessories like golden necklace, because we have to work through Gabriel anyway. My question is when can put it on back? As soon as i finished making the tablet or till the next new moon?
Ha! @Tamica You and I share the same moon sign! I have a feeling you'll be fine with the intensity of the course. I love dragonflies too! So great that your angel has always been around you with fireflies! BB ❤️🧙♀️
@Ariel Gatoga Oh my...I just realized since my birth Angel is Uriel that I should have done my invoking tablet yesterday...would next Saturday be too late for my invoking tablet..🤦🏽♀️
@Tamica You want to do it on the night of the angel in charge of your purpose. You will invoke the angel THROUGH your birth angel and through Gabriel. But your talisman is addressed to the angel in charge of your purpose, and thus on that day of the week.
@Ariel Gatoga ok, thank you...let me go and review that again. Oh...lol! I’m so delayed nowadays....I just realized that I can have a different purpose each day as long as I do a new tablet and work with the Angel of that day along with my birth Angel & Gabriel 🤦🏽♀️
This course does seen very intense but I am eager to learn and use it. My primary teaching Angel is Uriel and my secondary Angel is Raphael. What would be interesting is when I realize what Angel’s have helped me before once I learn more about them. I know Uriel has been with me bc I LOVE DRAGONFLIES! I always see them hovering near me. I even have a dragonfly tattoo I’ve had for 20 or so years now. 💜
If you come on my livestream tomorrow (Wednesday 8/19/20) at 10:15 AM Pacific, we will be going over the invoking tablet. You can also ask questions real time in the chat thread. Blessed be!
Just a reminder that this is a very specific system of angelic magic limited to a specific group of angels. We never want to just "add" other thought systems or practices to it, or we lose the integrity of the system.It's fine to do other systems, but please don't mix them with this.There's a ton of self-styled angel experts out there. Some of them may be very amazing, but just because it has something to do with "angels" doesn't mean it belongs in your magic.Know what you are doing and why you are doing it.Take your time. Think things through. Do it right.
@Sarah this course is a bit intense for your first time in magic! Enjoy! If it seems a bit much ever, you may want to consider doing A Witch's Primer first to get your magical "sea legs" so to speak.But specifically to your question. We don't use Angelic magic as a method of healing for others. We use it for ourselves and our own lives and needs. You can do other forms of healing for others, but leave angel magic for work on yourself. BB
I recently started the Angelic Magic course, and I really enjoy it!I am still new to practising magic, although I have been working on meditation for a while and currently working on my level II reiki training. I have a few questions about the types of petitions we can do with the angels.For example, I realize we do not want to manipulate free will. If however, I know someone is going to have surgery, is it ok to create a tablet and work with the angels for that person? Even if they didn't ask me? If there is a relationship I would like to ask for better clarity about the relationship and for better communication between us both, would that be an appropriate question for the angels?
I know I can't expect everything to go the way I would envision or hope. I do recognize the angels will always work within with everyone's highest good. This is why I want to learn to work with the angels because I trust them to help and also do what is best. Thank you for any advice. I really appreciate it! :)
I am grateful that the Archangels would like to help us. It is humbling and comforting to know that such beings are ready and willing to help us. I would like to know what can I do to show my gratitude for their efforts? Thank you.
@Kat Kitty that's a good question. What you can do, is do your best to learn their rituals and then when you perform your magic, you follow through on it and make sure you are doing your part. Angels love to help us. But then we need to ask, ask, ask. "Where do you want me to be? What do you want me to do? What do you want me to say?" We become good learners. We empty our minds of all our accumulated "wisdom" and let them show us their way instead.BB
Hello! I had a question on the writing for the “Invoking Tablet.” When we go to write in our Theban script what we are desiring, do we write it as a request or as it has already manifested like we do in WC beyond the basics?
Also for this lunar phase, Friday would be our first day right?
@Onur You are writing to the angel in charge of the matter. We are doing it through Gabriel and our Birth angel. But the talisman is addressed to the angel in charge of the matter. BB
I ll tear it off and redo it tonight. I wrote to Raphael on the last Thursday night🤦♂️. But like you said, the magic has already started, so there ll be a little bit modification💫
Just a reminder to check and make sure you have the latest handout. There was a page missing in the original upload. Just go to the lesson page and download it again. Thank you @Susanne for catching the missing page! Please print out your handouts and put them in a binder. You will need to refer to them frequently!Blessed be!
Hi. Yes that's what I meant. The moon sign is also calculated with the birth hour and as I don't know precisely my birth hour I can't be sure of which is my moon sign. The moon signs calculator I have found require the birth time. That's why I cannot be sure of if I should work with Raphael or Gabriel... Let me know if you have an idea for me to fix this problem. Or maybe I'll try with both angels. I hope there is no problem doing that. But as you present the angels as benevolent I don't think it should be a problem if I work with a wrong angel ?
Do you mean that you don't know your moon sign? Your rising sign (ascendent) is not used very often in this course, and when it is you can substitute Raphael for the angel of the ascendent. BB
Dear @Ariel Gatoga.
First of all thank you for all the information and knowledge you are sharing and the sweet way you communicate your ideas.
I would like to get your help concerning a problem I have in order to start the BAM Lessons. I have been trying for years to know precisely my natal birth hour (for astrology work) but could never get the precise information. I know that I am probably Cancer or Gemini. Therefore I can't figure out if I should work with Gabriel or Raphael to follow the Angel Magic system you teach...
Would you have an advice concerning this issue ? Do you think I should try each operation 2 times ? First with Raphael and second with Gabriel. And try to feel if one way feels better than the other ?
I am just afraid this is going to be a bit confusing in an already quite complex approach (at least as it seems at the beginning)
Thank you in advance for your answer.
BB
Hi @Ariel Gatoga Do you think we can draw the 1st pentacle of the moon in a squared paper and at the back write only key words in a circle with planetary signs (signed with our name) at the diagonal corners rather than writing the petition?
@Onur, you can definitely do what you will, but the system I'm teaching has very specific uses for different alphabets, and aren't arbitrary. We do cover other alphabets in later lessons. BB
Hi @Ariel Gatoga I think I ve done 20-25 Angelic magick since the beginning. I ve moved a bit further than what You taught us since the lecture 1. For example I ve started to use colorful A4 pages and flashing ink colours according to which Angel I work with and I really enjoy it. Now I ve come up with a new idea that I could change the alphabet I work with.
What would you say about using this alphabet (looks like celestial) in my crafts? Please note that normally the celestial alpahbet doesnt include vowels due to Hebrew (unlike Theban), but they inserted somehow in a page.
This could also help me be familiar with Hebrew letters
@Ariel Gatoga a tea light I put on the angelic tablet I made last night leaked out some and distorted the textures a bit. Should i renew the paper?
I may have missed the answer to this, but when we are writing our petition, is there a certain way we should word it if our personal moon angel is also Gabriel?
Thank you! Blessed be!
I have a couple of questions. As with all magic, should we do the grounding and centering before doing the tablet? And when we do practice every day, we get a lot of these tablets. Should we let them stand for a while on the althar before doing the next one? Is it ok to put them in a drawer on top of each other before disposing?
@Lucretia, I apologize for misreading your question. The INVOKING tablet we keep to the next new moon... the BANISHING tablet you can rip up directly after you have completed it that same night/day you created it. So sorry!!! BB
Where can one find the handouts for the angel magic course ? Please help
Where is the homework sheets
I have to get another birth certificate to get the time I was born ....
I’m so ready for this course and Looking forward To seeing now I will grow
Thank you! :)
If you do more than one tablet for different angels, like say one I did yesterday and one today and one on Sunday , do you keep all of them together on your alter? Put them on another alter etc? Thanks!
I made a mistake 😥 I put the Archangel Samael instead of Sachiel. I don't know what I was thinking. Should I just throw the tablet away and what for the next new moon? Thank you.
Oh and another question. I realise my petition to Sachiel last night was quite vague and in contradiction to what you teach as appropriate outcomes on the Magic List. I asked for help to ‘make my new, passive income venture an amazing financial success’. Is this ok or shall I have to be more specific about what ‘amazing financial success’ looks like and also use a timescale ie by the end of 2020? I feel the Angels will be ok with the vagueness of my petition but wanted to just double check 😁
@Ariel Gatoga - forgive me if I’ve missed this - how long do we keep the banishing tablet for? As the invoking is from dark moon to dark moon I assume for the banishing tablet it will be full moon to full moon? Bbx
@Ariel Gatoga, I have a questions again. Do we have to consider punctuation like coma, dot while writing in theban alphabet?
I ve done mine. While I was writing the letters on the top left, i had realised i d forgotten to draw the middle door, so i had to erase the letters😊. Another funny thing was, i was unable to see the copy paper under the tablet paper, so i had to do it all manually. The more we do, the better and quicker we ll do this, i think.
I have no idea why it does this. No matter. Here are my white flowers for Gabriel, the Great Lunar Angel. Blessed be x
Merry meet,
Could someone please post a link to Beginning Angel Magic -- Lesson 1b and 1c? I can not seem to find them on YouTube.
Thank you and blessed be,
Millie
@Ariel Gatoga we have completed lessons 1a/b/c so far. As we are just now in waxing phase now (1.82 days since the new moon), we dont need to do banishing tablet practice till the 4th of the September, am I right?
Hi all,
I found a website that translates English into Theban straight in order make the life easier.(also does Theban to English)
https://www.dcode.fr/theban-alphabet
Just take it off during the making of the talisman. I sometimes forget. BB
Hi @Ariel Gatoga . You said we should ve taken off accessories like golden necklace, because we have to work through Gabriel anyway. My question is when can put it on back? As soon as i finished making the tablet or till the next new moon?
Invoking Tablet:
Ha! @Tamica You and I share the same moon sign! I have a feeling you'll be fine with the intensity of the course. I love dragonflies too! So great that your angel has always been around you with fireflies! BB ❤️🧙♀️
This course does seen very intense but I am eager to learn and use it. My primary teaching Angel is Uriel and my secondary Angel is Raphael. What would be interesting is when I realize what Angel’s have helped me before once I learn more about them. I know Uriel has been with me bc I LOVE DRAGONFLIES! I always see them hovering near me. I even have a dragonfly tattoo I’ve had for 20 or so years now. 💜
If you come on my livestream tomorrow (Wednesday 8/19/20) at 10:15 AM Pacific, we will be going over the invoking tablet. You can also ask questions real time in the chat thread. Blessed be!
@Ariel Gatoga thanks for your response!
Just a reminder that this is a very specific system of angelic magic limited to a specific group of angels. We never want to just "add" other thought systems or practices to it, or we lose the integrity of the system. It's fine to do other systems, but please don't mix them with this. There's a ton of self-styled angel experts out there. Some of them may be very amazing, but just because it has something to do with "angels" doesn't mean it belongs in your magic. Know what you are doing and why you are doing it. Take your time. Think things through. Do it right.
@Sarah this course is a bit intense for your first time in magic! Enjoy! If it seems a bit much ever, you may want to consider doing A Witch's Primer first to get your magical "sea legs" so to speak. But specifically to your question. We don't use Angelic magic as a method of healing for others. We use it for ourselves and our own lives and needs. You can do other forms of healing for others, but leave angel magic for work on yourself. BB
I recently started the Angelic Magic course, and I really enjoy it! I am still new to practising magic, although I have been working on meditation for a while and currently working on my level II reiki training. I have a few questions about the types of petitions we can do with the angels. For example, I realize we do not want to manipulate free will. If however, I know someone is going to have surgery, is it ok to create a tablet and work with the angels for that person? Even if they didn't ask me? If there is a relationship I would like to ask for better clarity about the relationship and for better communication between us both, would that be an appropriate question for the angels?
I know I can't expect everything to go the way I would envision or hope. I do recognize the angels will always work within with everyone's highest good. This is why I want to learn to work with the angels because I trust them to help and also do what is best. Thank you for any advice. I really appreciate it! :)
I am grateful that the Archangels would like to help us. It is humbling and comforting to know that such beings are ready and willing to help us. I would like to know what can I do to show my gratitude for their efforts? Thank you.
Hello! I had a question on the writing for the “Invoking Tablet.” When we go to write in our Theban script what we are desiring, do we write it as a request or as it has already manifested like we do in WC beyond the basics?
Also for this lunar phase, Friday would be our first day right?
Just a reminder to check and make sure you have the latest handout. There was a page missing in the original upload. Just go to the lesson page and download it again. Thank you @Susanne for catching the missing page! Please print out your handouts and put them in a binder. You will need to refer to them frequently! Blessed be!