Hi. Yes that's what I meant. The moon sign is also calculated with the birth hour and as I don't know precisely my birth hour I can't be sure of which is my moon sign. The moon signs calculator I have found require the birth time. That's why I cannot be sure of if I should work with Raphael or Gabriel... Let me know if you have an idea for me to fix this problem. Or maybe I'll try with both angels. I hope there is no problem doing that. But as you present the angels as benevolent I don't think it should be a problem if I work with a wrong angel ?
Do you mean that you don't know your moon sign? Your rising sign (ascendent) is not used very often in this course, and when it is you can substitute Raphael for the angel of the ascendent. BB
First of all thank you for all the information and knowledge you are sharing and the sweet way you communicate your ideas.
I would like to get your help concerning a problem I have in order to start the BAM Lessons. I have been trying for years to know precisely my natal birth hour (for astrology work) but could never get the precise information. I know that I am probably Cancer or Gemini. Therefore I can't figure out if I should work with Gabriel or Raphael to follow the Angel Magic system you teach...
Would you have an advice concerning this issue ? Do you think I should try each operation 2 times ? First with Raphael and second with Gabriel. And try to feel if one way feels better than the other ?
I am just afraid this is going to be a bit confusing in an already quite complex approach (at least as it seems at the beginning)
Hi @Ariel Gatoga Do you think we can draw the 1st pentacle of the moon in a squared paper and at the back write only key words in a circle with planetary signs (signed with our name) at the diagonal corners rather than writing the petition?
Do what you will but why are you so adamant about changing the course as Ariel presented it? You have so many posts going so many directions away from the material as presented.
If you are inspired to do something, I can understand following that inspiration but it seems with your multiple posts debating or changing the material your intention is to sow discord.
I too am taking this class and find that meditation and journaling my ideas and inspirations are great ways to reflect on my ideas. Maybe try that before changing horses constantly midstream.
Millie im not aware of disturbing the harmony of the group. If it is so, I apologise from everyone in here. Actually I am very formalistic person not only in the practice of magick, but also other areas of my life. Many thanks to Ariel, we all learned a lot from him and probably everyone does what just they want. Like everybody while i am practicing one of the techniques we ve learned in here so far , i sometimes come up with a new idea about any practice of magick, I just want to learn the applicability of this idea. The answer could be either yes, why not or not recommended. It doesnt mean this idea or approach is better/more effective than what we learn here or it doesnt mean I am more clever or creative than everyone here. Im sure many people have much more knowledge and experience of occultism in here. BB
@Onur, you can definitely do what you will, but the system I'm teaching has very specific uses for different alphabets, and aren't arbitrary. We do cover other alphabets in later lessons. BB
Hi @Ariel Gatoga I think I ve done 20-25 Angelic magick since the beginning. I ve moved a bit further than what You taught us since the lecture 1. For example I ve started to use colorful A4 pages and flashing ink colours according to which Angel I work with and I really enjoy it. Now I ve come up with a new idea that I could change the alphabet I work with.
What would you say about using this alphabet (looks like celestial) in my crafts? Please note that normally the celestial alpahbet doesnt include vowels due to Hebrew (unlike Theban), but they inserted somehow in a page.
This could also help me be familiar with Hebrew letters
I may have missed the answer to this, but when we are writing our petition, is there a certain way we should word it if our personal moon angel is also Gabriel?
I have a couple of questions. As with all magic, should we do the grounding and centering before doing the tablet? And when we do practice every day, we get a lot of these tablets. Should we let them stand for a while on the althar before doing the next one? Is it ok to put them in a drawer on top of each other before disposing?
These, unlike some other talismans, can be put away on top of each other until disposed of. You may put them on your altar, but it is not necessary. Grounding and centering is always a smart idea before magic. BB
@Lucretia, I apologize for misreading your question. The INVOKING tablet we keep to the next new moon... the BANISHING tablet you can rip up directly after you have completed it that same night/day you created it. So sorry!!! BB
If you do more than one tablet for different angels, like say one I did yesterday and one today and one on Sunday , do you keep all of them together on your alter? Put them on another alter etc? Thanks!
I made a mistake 😥 I put the Archangel Samael instead of Sachiel. I don't know what I was thinking. Should I just throw the tablet away and what for the next new moon? Thank you.
Lucretia thank you for answering my question. I actually meant Samael and not Sachiel. I was just sooo excited to get started that I just got mixed up with the names. 😔 I need to slow down and focus. I’m like a little kid who can’t wait. It took me forever to do my tablet. I spent so much time and energy on it because I wanted the angels to know how much love and gratitude I have for them. Pretty sad I got the wrong angel. I ripped up the tablet and threw it away. I apologized to the Angels and let them know I’m making another one tonight but using Anael.Thanks again for your suggestion. BB
Oh and another question. I realise my petition to Sachiel last night was quite vague and in contradiction to what you teach as appropriate outcomes on the Magic List. I asked for help to ‘make my new, passive income venture an amazing financial success’. Is this ok or shall I have to be more specific about what ‘amazing financial success’ looks like and also use a timescale ie by the end of 2020? I feel the Angels will be ok with the vagueness of my petition but wanted to just double check 😁
@Lucretia, Yes, it's really important to have the specific goals, and then with Angel magic, it takes it to the next level, which is more of a "this is what I think I want, but please tweak it and make it into what YOU want."All the work you do on your goals then becomes underwritten by the angelic forces. The angels really seem to reward hard work.You'll keep refining things like wording as you go along on your relationship with the teaching angels and your birth angels specifically. A pure heart, reverence, respect, and good humor are usually what are mostly required in this system.. then just keep doing your best and all is well.
@Ariel Gatoga - forgive me if I’ve missed this - how long do we keep the banishing tablet for? As the invoking is from dark moon to dark moon I assume for the banishing tablet it will be full moon to full moon? Bbx
If I dont remember wrong from one of the videos, We must tear it off by the next new moon. Even though I checked the pdf, He hasnt mention it on the handout. Im sure he ll confirm it soon...BB
Hi. Yes that's what I meant. The moon sign is also calculated with the birth hour and as I don't know precisely my birth hour I can't be sure of which is my moon sign. The moon signs calculator I have found require the birth time. That's why I cannot be sure of if I should work with Raphael or Gabriel... Let me know if you have an idea for me to fix this problem. Or maybe I'll try with both angels. I hope there is no problem doing that. But as you present the angels as benevolent I don't think it should be a problem if I work with a wrong angel ?
Do you mean that you don't know your moon sign? Your rising sign (ascendent) is not used very often in this course, and when it is you can substitute Raphael for the angel of the ascendent. BB
Dear @Ariel Gatoga.
First of all thank you for all the information and knowledge you are sharing and the sweet way you communicate your ideas.
I would like to get your help concerning a problem I have in order to start the BAM Lessons. I have been trying for years to know precisely my natal birth hour (for astrology work) but could never get the precise information. I know that I am probably Cancer or Gemini. Therefore I can't figure out if I should work with Gabriel or Raphael to follow the Angel Magic system you teach...
Would you have an advice concerning this issue ? Do you think I should try each operation 2 times ? First with Raphael and second with Gabriel. And try to feel if one way feels better than the other ?
I am just afraid this is going to be a bit confusing in an already quite complex approach (at least as it seems at the beginning)
Thank you in advance for your answer.
BB
Hi @Ariel Gatoga Do you think we can draw the 1st pentacle of the moon in a squared paper and at the back write only key words in a circle with planetary signs (signed with our name) at the diagonal corners rather than writing the petition?
@Onur, you can definitely do what you will, but the system I'm teaching has very specific uses for different alphabets, and aren't arbitrary. We do cover other alphabets in later lessons. BB
Hi @Ariel Gatoga I think I ve done 20-25 Angelic magick since the beginning. I ve moved a bit further than what You taught us since the lecture 1. For example I ve started to use colorful A4 pages and flashing ink colours according to which Angel I work with and I really enjoy it. Now I ve come up with a new idea that I could change the alphabet I work with.
What would you say about using this alphabet (looks like celestial) in my crafts? Please note that normally the celestial alpahbet doesnt include vowels due to Hebrew (unlike Theban), but they inserted somehow in a page.
This could also help me be familiar with Hebrew letters
@Ariel Gatoga a tea light I put on the angelic tablet I made last night leaked out some and distorted the textures a bit. Should i renew the paper?
I may have missed the answer to this, but when we are writing our petition, is there a certain way we should word it if our personal moon angel is also Gabriel?
Thank you! Blessed be!
I have a couple of questions. As with all magic, should we do the grounding and centering before doing the tablet? And when we do practice every day, we get a lot of these tablets. Should we let them stand for a while on the althar before doing the next one? Is it ok to put them in a drawer on top of each other before disposing?
@Lucretia, I apologize for misreading your question. The INVOKING tablet we keep to the next new moon... the BANISHING tablet you can rip up directly after you have completed it that same night/day you created it. So sorry!!! BB
Where can one find the handouts for the angel magic course ? Please help
Where is the homework sheets
I have to get another birth certificate to get the time I was born ....
I’m so ready for this course and Looking forward To seeing now I will grow
Thank you! :)
If you do more than one tablet for different angels, like say one I did yesterday and one today and one on Sunday , do you keep all of them together on your alter? Put them on another alter etc? Thanks!
I made a mistake 😥 I put the Archangel Samael instead of Sachiel. I don't know what I was thinking. Should I just throw the tablet away and what for the next new moon? Thank you.
Oh and another question. I realise my petition to Sachiel last night was quite vague and in contradiction to what you teach as appropriate outcomes on the Magic List. I asked for help to ‘make my new, passive income venture an amazing financial success’. Is this ok or shall I have to be more specific about what ‘amazing financial success’ looks like and also use a timescale ie by the end of 2020? I feel the Angels will be ok with the vagueness of my petition but wanted to just double check 😁
@Ariel Gatoga - forgive me if I’ve missed this - how long do we keep the banishing tablet for? As the invoking is from dark moon to dark moon I assume for the banishing tablet it will be full moon to full moon? Bbx